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In December 2012, Pure Metal's PRINTED comeback issue came out. We created the blog itself for the non-Polish speaking readers of our zine. There's quite a few of them... We're going to keep the blog updated with all the interviews we conducted in English and some reviews...

Friday, December 28, 2012

Interview with MELIAH RAGE

Interview questions by Tomek/Nevermore, Pure Metal magazine (Poland)
Answers by: Anthony Nichols (guitars)
Photo: Bruce Bettis


Pure Metal: Hi Anthony, this is Tomek from Pure Metal Magazine from Poland.
Was it hard to break through as a metal band in a city like Boston?
Anthony: I suppose it should have been back in 1988, but I guess our timing was good. We were signed to Epic within a year of forming. Needless to say, the sounds of Metallica and Megadeth at that time were taking off, so I don't think it mattered where a band was from.

PM: Why Meliah Rage? Why the "Indian on the warpath"? Is it because metal is rebellion, battle, sometimes even war?
Anthony: Well, it all started with Jim Koury being in a band called Meliah Kraze. When he joined our start up band we needed a name so we took the Meliah part and then added the word Rage... I guess being young aggressive metalheads the word Rage fit well! We then put together the story of an Indian tribe called the The Meliah Indians who went on a Meliah Rage during war. Of course rebellion and the battle cry to take on the world is part of any young aggressive metal, band I guess.

PM: Metallica, Exodus, Megadeth, AC/DC, Judas Priest, Riot... these are your inspirations. In your own style you aptly fused the heavy metal tradition with thrash riffing. It was your vision of the band. Was it hard to convince the other guys to it?
Anthony: Well, I put the band together and have been pretty much the sole music writer, so no doubt influences will shine. Before thrash I was into AC/DC, Riot, the Krokus "Harware" album and stuff like that. Then when Metallica hit the radar, I instantly fell in love with the massive chugging rhythm guitar. In the mid '80s I suppose the 2 influences merged somehow. I think our first couple of records display some traditional metal with thrash. I guess today we would be called power thrash. I think our stuff tends to be more song oriented and less over the top crazy riffing all over the place.

PM: Before you started with Meliah Rage for good, you had a short but important stint with Gang Green. You played on their album. Can you tell me something more about that period?
Anthony: I was working at a rehearsal studio in Boston and was putting together a band which would eventually become Meliah Rage. Well, Gang Green rehearsed down the hall and I got friendly with them. At that time a lot of the hardcore punk bands including Gang Green were trying get a bit more metal sounding, so they asked if I'd join the band, thinking I'd help with their transition. I did an east coast US tour with them and played some lead on some records but I wasn't destined to stay long. When they were writing material for a new record the lack of musicianship really started to show and I lost interest... quickly. Love and respect them to this day but hardcore punk bands shouldn't really be good musicians... it's all about going against the grain!! We separated on good terms and Meliah Rage even toured with them in Europe in 1990.

PM: Two big labels took an interest in you: Atlantic and Epic. Was Epic's offer better, or were there other factors that contributed to the decision of signing with them?
Anthony: Epic's offer was quicker! When you're young and dream of making it in the biz and a major label offers a deal, you don't wait around!!! 20 plus years later I'm still pumped that we got to release 3 records on a major playing non radio music!

PM: Epic Records signed you in 1988, a year after the group's formation. In the same year you recorded your debut, an awesome one at that, "Kill to Survive". The clip for "Beginning of the End" was aired on MTV. Quite a pace for the novices you were back then, don't you agree? Wasn't that like a beautiful dream? They come true, but yours came true very quickly.
Anthony: I think that was answered on the last question!

PM: You were thrown into the industry at the deep end, but apparently you managed very well, because your debut had a great reception. You started with your message in times that were very good for metal music!
Anthony: No doubt the 80's were a golden time for metal and we were glad to be a part of it. Think of all the classic records by Maiden, Metallica, Judas Priest, Megadeth, Slayer etc. etc. that were released in the '80s.

PM: They tried to advertise you as the next Metallica, but on the first two albums you actually sounded closer to Metal Church. Were you happy with such a comparison?
Anthony: I think it was probably because our original vocalist Mike Munro had more of a Hetfield voice and less of the higher pitch of Metal Church vocals. Of course we'd be happy with being compared to either band.

PM: And it's Kurt Vanderhoof & co. with whom you had your first big tour. How do you remember it?
Anthony: Oh, I remember it very well! Metal Church were at their peak and we had a major label behind us, so things were good. The band started out on a bus when most young bands start out touring in a van! Of course there are all the stories of young guys on the road. The crazy thing is Kurt Vanderhoof wasn't in the band then. In 1989 their tour line up was Craig Wells, John Marshall, Mike Howe, Kirk Arrington and Duke Erickson. When we toured with them in 2007 there wasn't one of those guys from the first tour! It was Kurt Vanderhoof, Jay Reynolds, Ronny Munroe, Jeff Plate and Steve Unger.

PM: What were the relations between you and the musicians of Metal Church? The press started labeling you as their competition, but there wasn't any rivalry between you, was there?
Anthony: Don't know anything about them being competition? Of course we became friendly with them as we've toured with them twice. I know we've been called the east coast Metal Church... but of course we've never achieved their success!

PM: What kind of atmosphere surrounded you during the recording of "Solitary Solitude"? It's a bit on the calmer side, you slowed down a tad and audibly gave the songs more complexity... Was it due to your evolution as songwriters? Was it natural, or were you made to do it that way because that was what the label pressed upon you?
Anthony: No pressure from the label at all. They said do what you do best! Our debut "Kill to Survive" certainly had more of a live energized feel but I don't think we went out of our way to sound different on "Solitary...". I know personally when I write music I go in fazes of what gets me going. I think every record has its own feel.

PM: Which album do you value more and why? The fast, loud and rude debut or the more refined and matured "Solitary Solitude"?
Anthony: Well, I think in my old age I like "Solitary..." better, but I certainly can appreciate why people still love "Kill to Survive". I think it comes with the territory of a debut. "Kill'Em All" and Metal Church's debut have that live in your face feel and then their follow ups are more produced.

PM: Anthony - you're the main songwriter in the band. What creative input on the first two albums did the other members have?
Anthony: The first 2 records had the most input from the other guys. In those days we rehearsed and ideas were thrown around... Jim actually wrote all the music on two songs on "Solitary...". In the '90s I started writing on a home demo studio and have written everything musically since then. Jim is far more interested in playing leads than writing and our current bassist Darren Lourie just isn't a writer.

PM: With the beginning of the 90s came the era of grunge. Epic gives you the boot. What did you feel back then?
Anthony: I felt I had to get a job! I/we, like a lot of the '80s bands, were amazed at how quickly it all disappeared!

PM: To sign a new deal, you recorded an awesome demo in 1992 (which later got the title "Unfinished Business"). You were looking for something with the smaller labels, but ended up not signing because you had doubts about the sales. Wasn't the decision a bit too quick?
Anthony: I don't actually remember much about that. I do remember we had a high priced lawyer shopping us after being dropped by Epic and I presume he didn't want us on an indie after releasing three on a major.

PM: Looking back after 20 years, do you still think you made a good decision? Don't you regret the fact that the 1992 demo wasn't released back then as an album, even if in the end you would have to release it by yourselves?
Anthony: Looking back I don't regret it at all. Our brand of metal was dying and those songs were just rough demos... to this day I've never been a fan of those demos. They got interest after Sully Erna made it big with Godsmack. Sully was the drummer for the band on those tapes.

PM: "Unfinished Business" is my favourite release from Meliah Rage, your musical business card almost, if you will, a record that had the best elements of the first two albums. Didn't you feel that something was irreversibly escaping you? Do you agree that back then you were in your creative prime?
Anthony: Oh boy... couldn't agree less!!! To me the songs are sloppy and unsure of themselves... Of course it's always different being in the band as opposed to being a fan!

PM: Which songs from the first two albums and "Unfinished Business" do you still play live?
Anthony: "Bates Motel", "Enter the Darkness", "Beginning of the End", "Solitary Solitude", "Retaliation" from the first two. Nothing from "Unfinished Business".

PM: How was the cooperation with Jim Koury in the early stages? There was chemistry for sure... much like the Tipton-Downing duo. You still play together actually...
Anthony: Yep, we're lifers, I suppose! Like any long term guitar duo, you need to have chemistry and get along. I'm more of the writer/arranger, trained harmony note guy and Jim's more the street lead guitar guy. I'm always sending him new stuff and asking what he thinks!

PM: Your vocalist, Mike Munro, was a living proof that the most important thing in metal is one's charisma and ability to fit their singing into the song's mood. Mike did it brilliantly, and I think he didn't reach that high in terms of the vocal range?
Anthony: No doubt that Mike was the image of the band in the early days. Long before it was cool have a burley, tattooed tough guy as a frontman Mike was a force. Of course his rough yet melodic voice fit the music perfectly. Mike was a raw talent early on and probably could have used more production. I think Rich Spillberg really found something with Mike on "Masquerade"... really it's his best vocal performance!

PM: In 1993 you went on a hiatus and started a new project with Jim - Cacuts Land. You signed with Aureus Records, recorded an album and a clip for the label... only to shelve the release. Why? Why did you put in so much effort only to give up in the end? Will the fans ever be able to hear this material?
Anthony: Aureus Records was started by a former A&R guy from Epic and signed us. Cactus Land was a mellower version of Meliah Rage. As far as I know, that label never got the distribution it was looking for so they shelved our record. They put a lot of money into the project so I'm still a little baffled about it almost 20 years later. I called about ten years ago to see if they still had the tapes but they lost them. There is a video from that project that is on YouTube.

PM: I haven't heard all of the material, I only saw the clip. Musically it wasn't that far from Meliah Rage? Can you describe the material in a few words? Did it have a title? What happened to it? Did you use any of the ideas or songs later?
Anthony: Never got as far as a title. There are some riffs from that project that have been used on more recent Meliah records.

PM: In 1995 you revived Meliah Rage for a short time, which resulted in "Death Valley Dream", more straightforward, consistent, containing shorter and simpler songs. Why the determination to release a metal record amidst the reign of industrial metal and alternative rock? Why the pressure to release the album in 1996?
Anthony: We had been away for a few years at that point and then Backstreet records called and asked us to do a record. At that point we knew the major label days were gone and our batteries had been recharged. Not sure why, but I was in a mood to write short simple songs. We really weren't thinking about the timing of the release... but soon after it was released, we realized traditional metal was still at a low point!

PM: On "Death Valley Dream" you gave up the dark, sometimes epic mood that was abundant in your first two albums and the 1992 demo. Why the change? Did you start liking simplicity better?
Anthony: For some reason I was in that mood... I write what I feel!! If asked to write like that now it wouldn't happen!

PM: "Death Valley Dream" is still a very good album on which one can hear more references to Metallica. Apart from that, "War Journal" is a more modern and mechanical song, with some industrial metal influences. Did the times affect your tastes too?
Anthony: No, I was still listening to my '80s metal records so the times didn't affect my tastes!

PM: Two 1992 demo songs found their way to the album: "Possessing Judgement" and "Blacksmith". Why just those two? The album is rather short after all...
Anthony: Again, at that point those songs were from an unreleased demo and they fit the sound that we were going for on that record. No doubt the shortness of the record was done on purpose... maybe we were trying to make some kind of statement!

PM: Your fans had to wait until 2003 before you finally returned. That's kinda long. What were you guys doing in 1996-2003?
Anthony: When "Death Valley Dream" didn't get much play, we all went our separate ways. I wasn't even really playing music at that time. Jim and I started spending lots of time riding Harleys and put music behind us. Mike became a born again Christian and started a family. We figured Meliah Rage was never going to happen again!

PM: "Unfinished Business" was finally released in 2002 with Screaming Ferret Wreckords. Was it the label's initiative, or did it come from you?
Anthony: They came to us... Sully Erna was the drummer on that record and they wanted to see if they could sell some units with his name on it!

PM: Your return came about the same time as the metal renaissance in the USA. What did you hope for when you were preparing to record "Barely Human"?
Anthony: Screaming Ferret kept telling us that metal was coming back and we should do a new record. After doing little research I noticed that some of our peers had new records coming out so we said... sure!

PM: You came back with a strong line-up, but Mike Munro quickly resigned. Why did this happen, was there no way to keep him in the band?
Anthony: Mike at that point was busy with a young family and didn't want to commit to a record so Paul was the first choice since we had worked with him in the past.

PM: Your singer was replaced by Paul Souza, your good friend from Cactus Land. Paul's singing is cleaner and less in-your-face than Mike's. Was that a factor in making "Barely Human" less aggressive than your previous releases?
Anthony: The music was all written before he came on board so it wasn't written for him. Paul is just naturally more melodic than Mike. They're two different singers!

PM: The songs from "Barely Human" lack the proverbial kick and power, they're pretty average in themselves... What contributed to the lowering of their quality, what did you miss?
Anthony: Of course it's all opinion. "Barely Human" made a bunch of top ten lists and is a favorite amongst some fans and press (number 2 record of the year on a very well known metal website!) ...but sure the older hardcore fans of the first two records thought it was too soft!

PM: In 2006 thanks to Screaming Ferret Wreckords you released another album titled "The Deep and Dreamless Sleep". It was almost completely ignored, the songs lack the proverbial fire, the punch you had back in the day, they seem rather polite and dull. Do you agree? In my humble opinion, you have lost your way.
Anthony: Agreed that record was dull and I'll take the blame! It was definitely an attempt to make a mid tempo record with hooks.

PM: Even your logo was simplified and the cover looks rather gloomy. Was that your idea again, or was it label's pressure?
Anthony: My idea! Just wanted a change!

PM: Are you happy with "Barely Human" and "The Deep and Dreamless Sleep"? Would you be able to convince the listener to reach out for them?
Anthony: "Barely Human" has been remixed and will be released on vinyl at some point in the future. I'm not alone in thinking that record has some really good stuff on it. It's not "Kill to Survive" and wasn't meant to be KTS. I'm never 100% happy with anything, which keep the juices flowing!

PM: In 2007 you played with Metal Church again. What kind of atmosphere surrounded you on the tour?
Anthony: Like I mentioned before, it was a bit weird because no one from Metal Church was in the band when we toured with them in 1989. That being said, we got along great and the musical styles are similar! We did a few shows with Overkill as well on that tour, so it was cool to share the stage with those guys after so many years!

PM: In 2008 Mike Munro returned to the band. How did you convince him to do this?
Anthony: Well, Paul and the band were not seeing eye to eye on everything so we decided to take a break... I remember calling Mike out of the blue and asking if he wanted to go see a mutual friends' Judas Priest tribute band. We went together and saw a lot of old faces and EVERYONE was asking Mike... Why don't you do another Meliah record... I think that really spawned him and we went from there!

PM: It was a good move, because "Masquerade" from 2009 is your best since... "Unfinished Business". It's heavier, the mood and the magic of the old, good Meliah Rage returned. What worked for you this time that made the songs, particularly: "Lost or Found", "Masquerade", "Last Rites" or "Whatever it Takes", brilliant once again?
Anthony: It's our best record in my opinion hands down... Munro's aggression, with some of our best riffing and excellent production!

PM: The album "Masquerade" seems to carry some of Mike's most personal (Christian) lyrics. How were they received by the fans?
Anthony: Mike is a changed man from his badboy days and that's good for him. I write the music and hand it over to the singer and let him do his thing... That being said I have nothing to do with his lyrics....i'm not religeous! Certainly some fans and critics were turned off by the lyrics...But if that"s what Mike wanted to write about that"s his ballgame..

PM: Ronny Munroe of Metal Church sang on the track "Last Rites". Very nice of you to have invited him to do it. Did you do it during the tour already?
Anthony: Ronny and I became friendly while on tour, so I asked if he wanted to make a guest appearance on the record and he said yes... Flew him out from the west coast and he had it done in about 4 hours.. then we drank!

PM: But then again Mike Munro departed to concentrate on church affairs. How did you react to his decision? Did you understand or were you mad at him for leaving the band again?
Anthony: Mike told us from the beginning when we started recording "Masquerade" that he wasn't sure he'd do another record after that so it wasn't a surprise when he declined to do another. We were happy to have the big guy back for just the one!

PM: Once again his seemingly ever-substitute, Paul Souza, returned. You recorded your first cover: "Halo of Flies" from 1971, a song from Alice Cooper, with him. Why this one and whose idea was it?
Anthony: My idea and it's one of my all time favorite songs. "Killer" and "Love it to Death" from the early "Alice Cooper Band" are two of my all time favorite records had a huge influence on me... After 20 years of never doing a cover, we wanted to do something that wasn't your typical Sabbath or Metallica cover.

PM: Paul Souza's singing is calmer than that of Mike's. Does that cause you to write less aggressive songs?
Anthony: Nope... I'd pretty much written all the music before I even knew who was going to sing. Paul is just more melodic in his approach.

PM: "Masquerade" was the last album for Screaming Ferret. Was it you who didn't want to sign again, or did the bosses of Screaming not wish to do it themselves?
Anthony: Screaming Ferret basically stopped putting out any records.

PM: You signed with Metal on Metal very quickly. How many albums does the deal encompass and how is the cooperation?
Anthony: Metal on Metal contacted us when they saw that Screaming Ferret wasn't really doing anything. We signed a one record deal and they have been great! The best indie label we've ever worked with by far! Jowita and Simone at the label know this genre better than anyone!

PM: "Dead to the World" is the first fruit of your cooperation with Metal on Metal. I don't believe it's classic US Power. To me it's a strong rock/metal record, and a good one at that. You still can punch the listener in the face, but you do it rather sporadically. This time, you put your faith in melody. Where did the idea come from and why the change when compared to, say, the strong "Masquerade"?
Anthony: Again, I just write what I feel... I definitely got into writing some complex chording and harmonies on "Dead to the World". Of course different singers and production will make a record different. Also, like I said before, it's all opinion... "Dead to the World" made bravewords.com top ten records of the year and was chosen the actual album of the year by their president, Tim Henderson. We were very happy about that!

PM: You're mature both as musicians and as people. Perhaps just this fact causes you not to gallop with your songs like you did back when you were young. While listening to "Dead to the World", I can only think of one word: maturity. The instrumental parts are more economic and balanced, but tasteful at the same time. Is this the direction Meliah Rage is going to take?
Anthony: The instrumental parts are what keep me going these days. I like writing them on my demo studio... I almost write songs based around the instrumental parts.

PM: Paul Souza delivered some of the darkest lyrics in group's history. What subjects do they tackle?
Anthony: I know Paul was going thru some dark times while making the record, so it shows. Depression is a subject that was touched!

PM: How should I understand the album's title?
Anthony: “Dead to the World”... Post traumatic stress, depression, thoughts of suicide... Yep, it's dark!

PM: Two songs from "Dead to the World" stand out for me: "Up in Flames" and "Never from Me". The first one will probably end up as a live staple, a strong, Metallica-esque song... what songs off the album do you play live?
Anthony: We actually haven't played live since its release but "Up in Flames" would be on the list ...though the older I get the harder that sucker is going to be!

PM: The dark and moody "Never from Me" contains one of the best solos I've heard in the past decade, I'm talking about that first, very catchy one. How do you conceive such beautiful, melodic solos? I'm envious!
Anthony: WOW... Thanks! Jim and I each solo on that and I do the first one... To me the rhythm underneath has a lot to do with the solo and I take great pride in the musical arrangements.

PM: Is it just my impression, or is Paul Souza really in his prime? He recorded some of his best vocal parts... he gave it his all... the diversity is simply amazing.
Anthony: I will say there was some stress during the making of "Dead to the World" so maybe that helped... gave him some needed edge? Like I said before, Paul is a very talented guy and far more melodic than Mike. He writes and arranges all his vocal harmonies himself. Mike is more of a raw talent that needs a producer. Of course the fans of the harder stuff will always like Mike better!

PM: Where do you have a bigger fanbase, in Europe or in the States?
Anthony: Not sure really... it's been a long time since we've been overseas!

PM: You probably don't play for a living. So what do you do normally?
Anthony: I own a small delivery company in Boston... not sexy but it pays the bills much better than metal!

PM: Are you planning a new album yet? Are you writing new songs as Meliah Rage?
Anthony: I always have a new record ready!!! But there's of course the old Meliah question of "who's going to sing on it".

PM: Anthony, tell me please - are you honestly happy with Meliah Rage? Was there anything you could have done differently, do you regret anything?
Anthony: Funny you ask. I was at dinner with a guy who was a roadie for us back in the day and now he is the tour manager for Josh Groban and Tim McGraw. We were talking about when we were on our first tour. Epic was hoping we'd be the next Metallica. We did over 3 months straight on the road and when we got home, we were offered 2 more tours right away and we turned them down. I think we thought we'd take a break and wait for the next offer. Well, that former roadie and now big time tour manager said if we had taken those offered tours and kept at it, we would have probably have made a much bigger dent in the game... shoulda coulda woulda.
I've always said though that releasing 3 records with Epic can't be taken away.... I will always be grateful, I can say that!

PM: Finish the sentence please: to me, music is...
Anthony: ...what keeps me alive... Me personally, I think about it when I'm driving, walking, working out or whatever. I always want to make more and better music that I like... I write for no one else!

PM: I'm really impressed by your creative sense and guitar skills. I wish you to record many more great albums. Good luck!
Anthony: Well, thanks for those kind words. I know that most fans will always cherish the first records, but for me, I'm really proud of the guitar work on "Dead to the World"!

PM: Thanks again!!!

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